[yawn.its been like more than two months since my last post? yeah, dat and its been dat long since i started this post. it was hanging there unfinished, till tonight i finally decided to complete and publish it.so here goes another post. and there are more stuff (not about religion) in the drafts.as i said earlier,im just too lazy to blog anymore.or maybe i say it all in on twitter,facebook and other people's blogs.]
Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, Catoons of Mohamed on the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, a film made by Theo van Gogh (for which he was mudered) and many other such events lead to protests and bloodshed. Sorry that i have only mentioned only incidents related to Islam..its just that we get more news about Islamic intolerance than any other religion (you can blame it on the western media if you like or blame it on me or say there are more muslims in the world or simply accept the fact ..your choice. I am not implying anything here). Besides, this religion is closer to me than any other religion......Alrite, here is a Hindu intolerance incident; last year Bajrangdal activists attacked christian churches and people, responding to mass convertion of Hindus to Christianity. And the moral policing thing by hindutva activists who attacks women in pubs and attack people celebrating Valentines day.Generally speaking, most religions have these 'issues' with non believers... but followers of some religions express them more openly. it should also be noted that some religions have been reformed and evolved over the centuries, to fit in to the modern pluralistic societies..
why all these violent reaction?. why dont you guys let god protect his religion , and just calm down for sometime? Maybe he will strike these people with a thunder bolt or inflict eternal and uttermost torture when they die and go to his hell. O ye who believe; i hate to break this for you but if that is your religious obligation to make sure those who insult your religious sentiments are punished, then you are doing a really crappy job. because these insults are inevitable. Even if one dont say it out loud, everyone who dont follow your religion are 'saying' it. You have to punish em all. so we can say religious tolerance for the most part is kind of an oxymoron...atleast amongst the major religions. These major and dominant religions of the world aint capable of tolerance by their very nature but they all demand respect and tolerance. how exactly does one tolerate and respect a religion? im not really sure, but people say we should be respectful of other people's believes and never say anything which could insult them. but this is very wrong. religious tolerance is defined as "the condition of accepting or permitting others' religious beliefs and practices which disagree with one's own". permitting and accepting is not the same as respecting and not saying a word against them.
unbelievers are always insulting believers:
Let me expalin; religious groups have their own set of beliefs which they say are certainly true. For example religion X claims that person xx is a prophet and he was contacted by God. For those who dont believe in this claim usually there are two logical explanations:
(1) this guy (xx) is lying. or (2) this guy is crazy...or maybe both.
usually if they rule out these 'accusations', then they become believers in that religion. So, everyone who dont believe in that religion are accusing prophet xx to be either insane or a liar. This applies to all religions (almost). ..(dearest peaceful, sword wielding protectors of the most peaceful religion; i am talking about all religions in general. mmmkayyy?all of them. so calm down)
This can be applied to more detailed stuff about a belief system and not just prophethood. Here is a good example; Polygamy is permitted in mormonism and it is said that their founder Joseph Smith took more than 30 wives (including already married women). This could not be seen in a good light unless you are a mormon. you will probably think this guy is a selfish horny bastard who took advantage of superstitious, gullible people and his authority over them.What else could one think? This is so obvious. Ofcourse like all religions, mormons try to deny or justify it. For the believers of this religion, their prophet is the holiest and is infallible. Either this report is untrue or there is some other 'explanation' for this. Some of them say it is God's will and quotes what mr.smith said was the reason behind it; "by revelation—the saints of the Lord are always directed by revelation".
It does not take a second for a non-believer in Mormonism to recognise what is going on here. But the believers, blinded by their faith, do not smell anything fishy here. When a non-believer in their religion points out the obvious fact, they are insulted and hurt. Everyone is hurting them unless they believe it was infact God's will and done in accordance to revelation. So the only way to respect and honour a religion is believing them. as most religions claim to be the only true religion, one cant really believe in all religions....and this is how respecting religions (in the sense they demand us to)become impossible.
Freedom of Speech and feelings of believers:
What ive said so far does not mean religious tolerance is impossible.It is possible and necessary, but not at the cost of eliminating freedom of speech. A line should be drawn somewhere, and i dont think that line should be drawn by making religions too respectful to be even criticized. Because religions have an opinion about every single thing, and if we find it unacceptable, we are entitled to say so. That is freedom of speech. And if a group of people are insulted because of an opinion someone else hold against their personal beliefs, then every single human being will be insulted all the time. because every individual is different from the rest. If religion has to be respected so much that we cant even talk about them, so should the political ideologies, operating systems,taste of music, art or food, web browsers etc. And then we will all end up being hypocrites who praise even the things that we dislike and despise.
the religious texts of some religions are full of insults to people of other faiths, unbelievers or people who disobey their religious commands or leaves it totally. These insults and threats are cut out in their holy books. Now can we alter the word of God to make sure there is tolerance? no we cant. so these will remain as they are.This is rooted in the fact that most religions claim to be the only way to salvation and the only true religion. By this claim they are accusing others to be misguided, saying they will burn eternally in hell, they are dumb for not seeing the ‘obvious’ truth, they need to be guided or forced towards the right path etc. The Bible have a passages where Jesus calls jews the children of the Devil, liars etc. Church leaders have called Jews 'Christ killers'. Muslim recite Surah Al-Fatihah atleast 17 times every day. In this surah they call Jews 'those who have earned God's anger' and the Christians are called 'those who went astray'. Fearing that i may 'insult' some people i will not mention the several Hadiths which will hurt the feelings of non-muslims and people of certain faiths here. There are prophecies, like the muslim belief they will kill all jews before the judgement day comes, or fundamentalist christian belief that the temple mount will be reconstructed before the second coming of Christ (which means muslims will lose the middle east conflict in the end)…all these insult other religions. True, today we do not find wars among religion like earlier times. but we still have the same texts with us, will this hypocrisy of undeserved and childish respect for all religions hold off the violence? i dont think so.
respect? what respect?! thou shalt earn respect!
Respect is something which has to be earned. give respect to get respect! when you are cursing people for their personal choices which does not harm any other human being, for simply not believing what you believe, for expressing their opinions etc... dont you dare talk about respect. I dont really understand why the fuck we have to be respectful about religions. after all blasphemy is a victimless crime. one man's prayers is another man's blasphemy. one man's eternal truth, for another could be the biggest load of bullshit hez ever heard. (dont believe me? how many maldivians think scientology is NOT bullshit and NOT stupid?)
let us say... human beings ends up (because of some UN resolution like this maybe?) being hypocrites who cannot say anything critical of religions...then what happens? would there be religious tolerance?? They say religions need to be protected and respected unconditionally, even when they are plain stupid or when people of these beliefs dont respect other people's beliefs and ways of life. hell, they dont even respect another human being's right to live sometimes (sometimes based on their beliefs, sexual preference..etc). some beliefs just cannot be respected, or tolerated. for example jihadi islam which calls for war and world domination.
So, where exactly do we draw that line about respecting? wafa sultan said it all to a mullah while speaking live on jazeera tv. She said; "brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me". right there. believe what ever the fuck you want to, but dont try impose it on others or to mess with other people's lives. That is where the line should be drawn. If someone says your religions sucks you need not be insulted, because it is a fact that he/she thinks so. But if someone attack you on the street because you believe a certain thing, that is a problem. well...not always...depends on what kind of crap you believe in. if they are violent and threatening other people, you deserve it. rational fear of a religion is no phobia at all. and it is definitely not hate. it is a justified fear...for example fear of a religious group who practice human sacrifice or terrorism is only natural. then again, stereotyping and generalising aint good either. its a totally different issue which i may discuss some other time.
i dont respect your beliefs.i think they are fuckin stuhpid!
personally i dont respect beliefs of other people because if dont believe it, i think they are fuckin stuhpid and unworthy of my respect. otherwise i would believe it in the first place. the reason i dont believe it is because it is unbelievable and stupid. however, i DO respect people's right to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it does not harm anyone else. believe what ever the hell you want. believe in the flying spaghetti monster or the invisible pink unicorn. believe in barney the pink dinosaur and tinkerrbell. believe in your personal god who protects your family and lives under your bed. believe everything you can. i respect your right to believe. but there is no way on earth i will respect irrational beliefs. i will not just disrespect those beliefs which i think are dangerous to the society, i will despise them and refute them.some one believing that he will rise from the dead and smoke two ciggarettes does not really bother me. but beliefs that are widely accepted and are related to my life, our lives, our problems,suffering in the world..etc everyone should speak against them.i may hate a belief system for the harm it does, but it does not mean i hate the believers. I may sympathize with them because they are victims of these beliefs.
... religious tolerance has it's limits and is not the same as unconditional respect for religions.respecting other people's belief is impossible and stupid but respecting other people's right to believe what ever they want to -as long as it does not harm the society- is important. Religious tolerance is important but due to the nature of most religions, very difficult to achieve. however, CAN achieve it. we abolished slavery even when in the eyes of major religions it was not a crime. the problem is not people who criticize religions, but those who act like they have been raped when ever their religion is criticized. mankind should over come this insanity in order to pursue religious tolerance. The way to peaceful coexistence of religions is not by hushing the critics of religions, but curing the lunatics who goes into a hyperventilating fit of rage everytime their personal beliefs are criticized.